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(joyce48467@71.238.226.170 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 02:40:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qOJQk0oVM1nPAbo9EKyCuXS0QHfgAl2xbqyT0xqWW4QLuYn0eOKpMrDkokwP055FQpB5ItLzn1cK.5WotV3HOl70vYgMS4RINrAFqWFUqGdfbzLUJLV1tSDxLWF9IpB572okVRyafT35NO6MZag1GKenGF_fD578Eh6qqrNwiuNWH8VPjGqG9mUeh7i7 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: References: <9F9106FFAD654FA999DB3277DCD2B518@RABBIT> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-338272091 Message-Id: Cc: "Acct.Abililty/Stacey Viers" , Huron City Museums , Captain Morgans , Chamber of Commerce , "Rogers, Keri" From: Joyce Stanek Subject: Re: Car Show info Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:39:35 -0500 To: Rene Nichols X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) --Apple-Mail-1-338272091 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Rene, I did not intentionally leave Keri out of the emails I sent today. I=20 did not have her email address - but I also thought that both you and=20 she had told me a while ago that she didn't check her emails regularly,=20 and that I could send stuff through you (Rene). I assumed you would=20 share with her - but I should have said it directly in my very first=20 email. Sorry about that. I agree with everything you said. And, I also agree that, as=20 Chairperson, Keri needs to make final decisions, and present the budget=20 and outline of activities. I'm glad that Dave was at the meeting, and also glad he is willing to=20 help. But I don't think that Keri or any of the rest of us -=20 representing the Chamber which is now the sponsoring group - should=20 feel compelled to run it like it was run previously. In fact, now is=20 the time to try some new things! I'm glad that the work that is going into the event is being done now=20 (instead of later) - but I do have a concern about all the money we are=20 asking businesses to fork over for the car show. I'm really afraid that=20 between that and paying dues this fall - that it may impact the=20 Visitor's Guide, and the Winter Chill Thrill/Deal games - both of which=20 are in their final stages. I hope I'm wrong on that. Anyway - I think that Keri has put a lot of thought and work into the=20 project - and Darcie, Patty and John have done a bang up job on the ads=20 & donations - and revamping the flyer is a big job for you and Stacey.=20 I really haven't done much except make some contacts, but I hope to do=20 more as needed. We are on the right track. I just don't think we should be bullied or=20 guilted into doing things we don't feel we should. Joyce : -) On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Rene Nichols wrote: > Joyce, > =A0 > Lots of good info in all your e-mails.....thanks..... > =A0 > Please note Keri's e-mail address.=A0 She is President of Friends and=20= > should be the contact > address for the Chamber.=A0 Not sure if you had it yet.... > =A0 > I also agree with your statement.=A0 I know Keri had plans to discuss=20= > re-vamping and I also agree we need to > take a good look at this.=A0=A0I think everyone listed on this e-mail=20= > needs to keep in mind that Keri is the chair of this event and all=20 > final decisions and commitments should come from her speaking for the=20 > committee.=A0 As an example, when Dave asked if he could be in charge of= =20 > the cruise, it was not discussed > as a committee nor was a committee vote taken.=A0 When we discussed the= =20 > poker run, I asked > Darcie if she wanted to work on it with me, but didn't go through=20 > Keri.=A0 While I personally value each and every one of you and your=20 > efforts to make this event happen, we need to follow procedure.=A0 In a= =20 > sense, > we are a dream team when it comes to planning an event.=A0 We are=20 > all=A0DOERS which=A0comes with strong personalities and lots of good=20 > energy.=A0 With that being said, I think we could all benefit from=20 > toning back just a bit and giving our chair a chance to chair and keep=20= > us grounded.=A0 She put a lot of thought and effort into preparing for=20= > these meetings, as well as spending lots of time observing the car=20 > show this past May to see the process first hand.=A0 She also spent time= =20 > talking with car show participants, listening and observing.=A0More than= =20 > all of us combined. She's attended=A0other car shows in other areas.=A0= =20 > When she tried to speak, she was cut off or told it wouldn't=20 > work.=A0=A0You know, none of us wanted the chair job!=A0 Let's give her t= he=20 > respect she deserves for stepping up to do it and at least let her=20 > speak and try hearing what she's saying.=A0=A0 > =A0 > I am afraid we are going down the same old track as the last few=20 > years with this car show.=A0 If we > continue to do the same old same old as done in past years, I can=20 > guarantee we're heading for > failure.=A0 Dave was incorrect when he said he has a system that=20 > works.......if it worked, the car > show would grow each year, not dwindle.=A0A successful event should not= =20 > cost thousands of > dollars from local businesses with zero return. =A0Stacey and I also=20 > spent a lot of time talking with car > show attendees and businesses during the 2008 car show.=A0 I was dead=20= > serious when I said we > need to re-think how much we are asking businesses to contribute.=A0=20 > While I gave my business as > a personal example, I can assure you there are many more that have=20 > shared the same feelings with me. > Giving the flyer a new fresh look is another issue that was big for=20 > people.=A0 Todd & I met with Dave last > fall and tried to change things up a bit and add some volunteering,=20 > which Dave said was not happening. I won't even bore you with those=20 > meetings.=A0 I will tell you Todd made an attempt > to change the flyer a bit last year, but=A0was pressed for time and the= =20 > result=A0was just a few minor > changes.=A0=A0Contrary to what we were told, I'm quite sure the flyers= =20 > didn't make it to the=A0big > car=A0events that were mentioned.=A0 I know it didn't go to print in=20 > time.=A0=A0Another big item many > mentioned was=A0to get the show=A0in town, not at the park.=A0I was told= =20 > the car show doesn't help draw > attention to our businesses in town if it's at the park.=A0 Many=20 > business owners felt it would > draw more=A0people and more attention to their businesses if it was in= =20 > town.=A0 Having the "parade" of > cars not stop at the Day Park was a big discussion at last fall's=20 > meeting.=A0Rather, it was suggested > it go full circle and come back to town, again drawing attention to=20 > the town.=A0 Three of us=A0voted yes > to=A0circle it back to town. =A0Dave & Don said no and they did it their= =20 > way.=A0 I don't have all the answers! > Just a lot of concerns and comments that were made this past year and=20= > years previous.=A0 We should be taking Joyce and Keri's suggestion to=20 > get the flyer done because of the time issue and then spend the next=20 > two months fine tuning this event that can be successful, fun and=20 > profitable with a fresh look=A0without being a drain on our local small= =20 > businesses.=A0 We have to go to them for so many things through out the= =20 > year, let's not burn them out the first month of the season on what=20 > should be a lower budget event. > =A0 > Joyce and Keri have some very good points.=A0 Let's hear them out and=20= > then take a committee vote. > =A0 > Keri will submit her tentative budget to the chamber board Monday=20 > with a few adjustments based > on Tuesday's meeting, but for the most part, it will be showing no=20 > profit or loss.=A0 The committee > can work on improving the profit column over the next=A0several months! > =A0 > I also want to apologize=A0again for not having the rough draft of a=20 > flyer for you to look at=A0Tuesday > night.=A0 I still haven't been able to reach Stacey, so I'm not sure=20 > what happened.=A0 As promised, as > soon as I can, I'll get a rough draft to each of you, hopefully=20 > before Darcie heads south for=A0a > little R & R! > =A0 > Thanks again to each one of you for stepping up and taking on this=20 > messed up=A0project.=A0 If anyone > can turn this car show around, this group can! > =A0 > Rene=A0=A0=A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > > > From: pacofc@airadvantage.net > To: acct.ability@yahoo.com; dfinan@centurytel.net;=20 > mpfinan@centurytel.net; nichols78@msn.com > CC: joyce48467@yahoo.com > Subject: Car Show info > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:39:16 -0500 > > > Hi all - > =A0 > Here is some info. on the Car Show that I thought I would pass along=20 > to you: > =A0 > 1) I emailed Jeff Babcock about chairing the "games" - but haven't=20 > heard back yet > =A0 > 2) I confirmed that the "Princess Party" is from 1 to 4=A0 on Saturday=20= > (place TBD) > =A0 > 3) I confirmed that the "Bake Sale" would be on Saturday (place &=20 > time=A0TBD) > =A0 > 4) I let Nancy Creuger know that Marc Schillinger would be doing=20 > concessions again this year > =A0 > 5) I confirmed that the Jr. Priscilla Club is sponsoring a Luncheon &=20 > Fashion Show at Breakers-on-the-Bay at noon on Saturday, May 16. This=20 > was not on the flyer last year, and maybe it is not appropriate to=20 > include - but I just wanted you to be aware of the event that weekend. > =A0 > 6) I already noted the dates & times for the Spaghetti dinner on=20 > Saturday and Pancake Breakfast on Sunday - both confirmed. > =A0 > 7) I found out HOW MANY SCOUTS are involved currently in the Port=20 > Austin/Kinde areas: > =A0 > Girls: about 43 total > (Nancy Creuger - 7 in oldest group; Beth Fischer - 9 in 5th/6th grade=20 > group; Heather - 9 in 3rd/4th grade group; Joann Cox - 16 in 1st/2nd=20 > grade group) > =A0 > Boys: about 15 total - various ages, Brandi Gordon is the leader > =A0 > So that's about 58 - which is WAY more than I thought there were - and=20= > more than there were last year. And that does not count the Rangers=20 > (Marc's group). > =A0 > 8) And this is just a side note from Joyce - I am astounded at the=20 > amount of money that needs to be collected in order to run this event.=20= > I think we really need to re-think all of the money that goes out for=20 > "prizes" and such. I think we'd be better off making the car show FREE=20= > and not giving out big prizes - we'd be farther ahead! Seriously. Also=20= > - if we are trying to "re-vamp" the car show - we really have not done=20= > much of anything different at this point. We're basically just picking=20= > up the pieces of what is left of the car shows of the past. > =A0 > Okay - I'm done. Again #8 is just my opinion. Just had to get it out. > =A0 > Joyce > > Joyce Stanek, Director > Greater Port Austin Area Chamber of Commerce > P.O. Box 274 - 2 W. Spring St. > Port Austin MI 48467 > 989.738.7600 > email: pacofc@airadv.net > www.portaustinarea.com > > Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. Sign up today.=20 --Apple-Mail-1-338272091 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rene, I did not intentionally leave Keri out of the emails I sent today. I did not have her email address - but I also thought that both you and she had told me a while ago that she didn't check her emails regularly, and that I could send stuff through you (Rene). I assumed you would share with her - but I should have said it directly in my very first email. Sorry about that. I agree with everything you said. And, I also agree that, as Chairperson, Keri needs to make final decisions, and present the budget and outline of activities.=20 I'm glad that Dave was at the meeting, and also glad he is willing to help. But I don't think that Keri or any of the rest of us - representing the Chamber which is now the sponsoring group - should feel compelled to run it like it was run previously. In fact, now is the time to try some new things! I'm glad that the work that is going into the event is being done now (instead of later) - but I do have a concern about all the money we are asking businesses to fork over for the car show. I'm really afraid that between that and paying dues this fall - that it may impact the Visitor's Guide, and the Winter Chill Thrill/Deal games - both of which are in their final stages. I hope I'm wrong on that. Anyway - I think that Keri has put a lot of thought and work into the project - and Darcie, Patty and John have done a bang up job on the ads & donations - and revamping the flyer is a big job for you and Stacey. I really haven't done much except make some contacts, but I hope to do more as needed. We are on the right track. I just don't think we should be bullied or guilted into doing things we don't feel we should. Joyce : -) On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Rene Nichols wrote: Verdana Joyce, Verdana =A0 Verdana Lots of good info in all your e-mails.....thanks..... Verdana =A0 Verdana Please note Keri's e-mail address.=A0 She is President of Friends and should be the contact Verdana address for the Chamber.=A0 Not sure if you had it yet.... Verdana =A0 Verdana I also agree with your statement.=A0 I know Keri had plans to discuss re-vamping and I also agree we need to Verdana take a good look at this.=A0=A0I think everyone listed on this e-mail needs to keep in mind that Keri is the chair of this event and all final decisions and commitments should come from her speaking for the committee.=A0 As an example, when Dave asked if he could be in charge of the cruise, it was not discussed Verdana as a committee nor was a committee vote taken.=A0 When we discussed the poker run, I asked Verdana Darcie if she wanted to work on it with me, but didn't go through Keri.=A0 While I personally value each and every one of you and your efforts to make this event happen, we need to follow procedure.=A0 In a sense, Verdana we are a dream team when it comes to planning an event.=A0 We are all=A0DOERS which=A0comes wit= h strong personalities and lots of good energy.=A0 With that being said, I think we could all benefit from toning back just a bit and giving our chair a chance to chair and keep us grounded.=A0 She put a lot of thought and effort into preparing for these meetings, as well as spending lots of time observing the car show this past May to see the process first hand.=A0 She also spent time talking with car show participants, listening and observing.=A0More than all of us combined. She's attended=A0other car shows in other areas.=A0 When she tried to speak, she was cut off or told it wouldn't work.=A0=A0You know, none of us wanted the chair job!=A0 Let's give her the respect she deserves for stepping up to do it and at least let her speak and try hearing what she's saying.=A0=A0 Verdana =A0 Verdana I am afraid we are going down the same old track as the last few years with this car show.=A0 If we Verdana continue to do the same old same old as done in past years, I can guarantee we're heading for Verdana failure.=A0 Dave was incorrect when he said he has a system that works.......if it worked, the car Verdana show would grow each year, not dwindle.=A0A successful event should not cost thousands of Verdana dollars from local businesses with zero return. =A0Stacey and I also spent a lot of time talking with car Verdana show attendees and businesses during the 2008 car show.=A0 I was dead serious when I said we Verdana need to re-think how much we are asking businesses to contribute.=A0 While I gave my business as Verdana a personal example, I can assure you there are many more that have shared the same feelings with me. Verdana Giving the flyer a new fresh look is another issue that was big for people.=A0 Todd & I met with Dave last Verdana fall and tried to change things up a bit and add some volunteering, which Dave said was not happening. I won't even bore you with those meetings.=A0 I will tell you Todd made an attempt Verdana to change the flyer a bit last year, but=A0was pressed for time and the result=A0was just a few minor Verdana changes.=A0=A0Contrary to what we were told, I'm quite sure the flyers didn't make it to the=A0big Verdana car=A0events that were mentioned.=A0 I know it didn't go to print in time.=A0=A0Another big item many Verdana mentioned was=A0to get the show=A0in town, not at the park.=A0I was told the car show doesn't help draw Verdana attention to our businesses in town if it's at the park.=A0 Many business owners felt it would Verdana draw more=A0people and more attention to their businesses if it was in town.=A0 Having the "parade" of Verdana cars not stop at the Day Park was a big discussion at last fall's meeting.=A0Rather, it was suggested Verdana it go full circle and come back to town, again drawing attention to the town.=A0 Three of us=A0voted yes Verdana to=A0circle it back to town. =A0Dave & Don said no and they did it their way.=A0 I don't have all the answers! Verdana Just a lot of concerns and comments that were made this past year and years previous.=A0 We should be taking Joyce and Keri's suggestion to get the flyer done because of the time issue and then spend the next two months fine tuning this event that can be successful, fun and profitable with a fresh look=A0without being a drain on our local small businesses.=A0 We have to go to them for so many things through out the year, let's not burn them out the first month of the season on what should be a lower budget event. Verdana =A0 Verdana Joyce and Keri have some very good points.=A0 Let's hear them out and then take a committee vote. Verdana =A0 Verdana Keri will submit her tentative budget to the chamber board Monday with a few adjustments based Verdana on Tuesday's meeting, but for the most part, it will be showing no profit or loss.=A0 The committee Verdana can work on improving the profit column over the next=A0several months! Verdana =A0 Verdana I also want to apologize=A0again for not having the rough draft of a flyer for you to look at=A0Tuesday Verdana night.=A0 I still haven't been able to reach Stacey, so I'm not sure what happened.=A0 As promised, as Verdana soon as I can, I'll get a rough draft to each of you, hopefully before Darcie heads south for=A0a Verdana little R & R! Verdana =A0 Verdana Thanks again to each one of you for stepping up and taking on this messed up=A0project.=A0 If anyone Verdana can turn this car show around, this group can! Verdana =A0 Verdana Rene=A0=A0=A0 Verdana =A0 Verdana =A0 Verdana =A0 Verdana From: pacofc@airadvantage.net VerdanaTo: acct.ability@yahoo.com; dfinan@centurytel.net; mpfinan@centurytel.net; nichols78@msn.com VerdanaCC: joyce48467@yahoo.com VerdanaSubject: Car Show info VerdanaDate: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:39:16 -0500 VerdanaHi all - Verdana=A0 VerdanaHere is some info. on the Car Show that I thought I would pass along to you: Verdana=A0 Verdana1) I emailed Jeff Babcock about chairing the "games" - but haven't heard back yet Verdana=A0 Verdana2) I confirmed that the "Princess Party" is from 1 to 4=A0 on Saturday (place TBD) Verdana=A0 Verdana3) I confirmed that the "Bake Sale" would be on Saturday (place & time=A0TBD) Verdana=A0 Verdana4) I let Nancy Creuger know that Marc Schillinger would be doing concessions again this year<= /fontfamily> Verdana=A0 Verdana5) I confirmed that the Jr. Priscilla Club is sponsoring a Luncheon & Fashion Show at Breakers-on-the-Bay at noon on Saturday, May 16. This was not on the flyer last year, and maybe it is not appropriate to include - but I just wanted you to be aware of the event that weekend. Verdana=A0 Verdana6) I already noted the dates & times for the Spaghetti dinner on Saturday and Pancake Breakfast on Sunday - both confirmed. Verdana=A0 Verdana7) I found out HOW MANY SCOUTS are involved currently in the Port Austin/Kinde areas: Verdana=A0 VerdanaGirls: about 43 total<= /fontfamily> Verdana(Nancy Creuger - 7 in oldest group; Beth Fischer - 9 in 5th/6th grade group; Heather - 9 in 3rd/4th grade group; Joann Cox - 16 in 1st/2nd grade group) Verdana=A0 VerdanaBoys: about 15 total - various ages, Brandi Gordon is the leader Verdana=A0 VerdanaSo that's about 58 - which is WAY more than I thought there were - and more than there were last year. And that does not count the Rangers (Marc's group). Verdana=A0 Verdana8) And this is just a side note from Joyce - I am astounded at the amount of money that needs to be collected in order to run this event. I think we really need to re-think all of the money that goes out for "prizes" and such. I think we'd be better off making the car show FREE and not giving out big prizes - we'd be farther ahead! Seriously. Also - if we are trying to "re-vamp" the car show - we really have not done much of anything different at this point. We're basically just picking up the pieces of what is left of the car shows of the past. Verdana=A0 VerdanaOkay - I'm done. Again #8 is just my opinion. Just had to get it out. Verdana=A0 VerdanaJoyce VerdanaJoyce Stanek, Director= VerdanaGreater Port Austin Area Chamber of Commerce VerdanaP.O. Box 274 - 2 W. Spring St. VerdanaPort Austin MI 48467 Verdana989.738.7600 Verdanaemail: 0000,0000,EEEEpacofc@airadv.net Verdana0000,0000,EEEEwww.portaustinarea.com VerdanaWindows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. 0000,0000,EEEESign up today. = --Apple-Mail-1-338272091--